Photographers and other people's edits

[John at My Favorite Pinups{★}]

Something happened very recently that I'm trying to see if this is the exception and not the general rule

There is a pinup girl that I am quite good friends with and she had some shots done
The shots are pretty good, don't get me wrong, but something was missing

I did find out later that this person is not a pinup photographer per se
(I'm not naming the girl or the photographer)

So I tell me friend to get me the orig files at full size and my wife, the photoshop goddess, will do some editing and give it a old pinup look

She asks the photographer and he says no

This is the part I don't get
We're offering to edit the pics gratis
No credit either.. just a favor for a friend
and yet we can't.. seems silly to me

so we took the examples she gave me to look at
already edited and the photographers logo in the print
and my wife did 9 great examples of taking a shot and making it look retro as well as making a few cosmetic changes that I felt were needed

ok there is the background
what's your take on it?

John

[Wild Card Kitty]

Interesting and valid points, but ultimately everything has pretty much been covered. The photographer owns the rights to the pictures so it's their call as to what they do with them. I've started doing more shoots recently and as a model myself I'm learning about what I'm looking for in my photos too. If you're paying for the pictures, you should be able to get the best ones that you want, however if it's a free TFCD then it's a collaborative effort. Bottom line is the photos are the photographers work and whilst on the surface they appear to contain less effort than say, a painting, there has still been years of studying and craftsmanship behind them.
If the photos aren't as true to the pin-up of yesteryear that your discerning eye is used to, it's not necessarily because they aren't trained enough it's either to do with their take on something.
Worst case scenario, they haven't researched the genre properly enough.
If your friend is happy with the finished results, then at the end of the day that's what matters!
Whew! There's my tuppence worth! x

[Atomic Cheesecake Studios]

I don't ever allow anyone to alter my work... it becomes someone else's the moment that happens.

Stacey

[Eye of Ra Photography]

Yeah... I've allowed a few models to use images I've created in graphic design projects, but I don't know that I'd want someone else to actually retouch my photos after I had already taken a crack at them. However, I also love to hear what other people might have done differently, so from that point of view, I enjoy critiques.

Rahul

[Edson Carlos]

I have done a few "remixes", but always ask first and provide the altered image straight to the source. Photographers should treat their photos like a music track. Remixes only make it better for more and more people. As long as the proper credit is given, enjoy the added boost of popularity!

[John at My Favorite Pinups{★}]

SFPJ,

my wife is a graphic designer and we are well aware of the copyright issues, as the standards are the same
Thank you for the link to amazon tho.

John


sfphotojournal said:

This is a great book on laws concerning photography.

http://www.amazon.com/Legal-Handbook-Photographers-Rights-Liabiliti...

I recommend it to any photographer.

[John at My Favorite Pinups{★}]

again, I thank everyone for their opinion

I have the answer I was looking for.

John

[C/S]

Communication is the KEY:
Establish guidelines and Standards that help you work with clients, most issues can be worked out during the process. I understand every situation has its own merit , so as professionals discuss your concerns and make sure they understand your process .....c