How have TF shoots worked for you?

[Modeling]

Okay so like I understand what a TF is more or less, but really what does it mean for me as a model? And what do I do to protect myself and pictures from being manipulated. So I hope that makes sense. Please HELP :) trying to get more of a base on my portfolio and I have photographers who say they will do TF with me. Just really want to know what exactly it means on all aspects. 

Thanks 

Ginger 

[Roxy Tart {PL Team / Comm. Mgr}]

As a new model starting out TF is a good way to build your portfolio without breaking the bank. As an experienced model it is a good way to work with people that can enhance your portfolio and you theirs. Whether you are doing TF or paying, you should sign a release. It is what protects both you and the photog. But as for protecting your photos from being manipulated, what do you mean by that? The photog almost always has the right to use your photo for what they want.

 

There are a lot of great threads in this forum that talk about how to get started, http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/forum/topics/how-do-i-get-photographe..., http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/forum/topics/2346862:Topic:98444, http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/forum/topics/how-important-are-pinup, http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/forum/topics/getting-started-in-pinupin are just a few.

 

Good luck!

[Zarah Diane]

Roxy Tart {Madam/Community Mgr} said:

As a new model starting out TF is a good way to build your portfolio without breaking the bank. As an experienced model it is a good way to work with people that can enhance your portfolio and you theirs. Whether you are doing TF or paying, you should sign a release. It is what protects both you and the photog. But as for protecting your photos from being manipulated, what do you mean by that? The photog almost always has the right to use your photo for what they want.

 

There are a lot of great threads in this forum that talk about how to get started, http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/forum/topics/how-do-i-get-photographe..., http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/forum/topics/2346862:Topic:98444, http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/forum/topics/how-important-are-pinup, http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/forum/topics/getting-started-in-pinupin are just a few.

 

Good luck!

 

Thanks for posting this. I was weary about this shoot this up coming Sunday. I did a lot of research and cleared. I AM paying for 2 shoots and with the history the photographer has, I will trust her. I need it as a starter anyway. Later tonight, I will go through these links you posted. Thank you!

[Lawrence W Larsen]

The photographer always has the right to use your photo for what they want, my release allows me to use your image a stock and only allows you to use the images for any thing except sale and I also put this line in each"the Photographer will use reasonable commercial efforts to ensure that the Images will not be used for any pornographic, obscene, defamatory or libelous purpose".

What are you afraid of someone doing with your photo? If you don't want nudes of you keep your clothes on! :) Have them send you a copy of the release so you can see what they want to use your photos for.

http://lwlarsen.com/doc/ModelRelease09022008.pdf

 

PS: Look at their port it will tell you what they like to shoot

Warmly,

Lawrence

[Roxy Tart {PL Team / Comm. Mgr}]

If you are paying for it it is not considered TF. It is a payed shoot and the guidelines are totally different.

Zarah Diane said:

Thanks for posting this. I was weary about this shoot this up coming Sunday. I did a lot of research and cleared. I AM paying for 2 shoots and with the history the photographer has, I will trust her. I need it as a starter anyway. Later tonight, I will go through these links you posted. Thank you!

[Photography by Christian Aragon]

You've a couple sets of questions going there. Your first question, "How have TF shoots worked for you?" They've helped me to go broke and face the possibility of closing my photography biz. I believe that TF overall has cheapened both what photographers do as well as what models do as it allows anyone and everyone on either side of the camera to very easily call themselves one or the other depending on perspective.

As far as your other questions are concerned, it's really simple: Negotiate and get everything in writing that you do and/or don't want. Because of TF everyone has to protect themselves on both sides of the camera. Putting everything in writing is the best way to do that. :)

[Samantha Grace]

TFP can be a great thing for a model. However, read releases CAREFULLY! I've signed a bad one in the past. Basically, the photographer had all rights to the images and could tell me not to use them at anytime. Which it did come to that. So, after that I was more careful about the release.

Ive' been working as a model since 2004. Most of my rare TFP experiences have been great. These days I only TFP with about 5 people. However, back in 2004 when I started I TFP a lot. I was careful to only TFP with the best photographers who could showcase my ability as a model. I know when you start, finding a good TFP photographer can be hard. Since, there are tons of so-so TFP photographers out there. But keep your standards and port the highest you can!

[Miss Va-Voom Vintage]

They've been great! It's an awesome way to meet new people, try different things and build an excellent portfolio. Just be sure to read your model release carefully before you sign and don't do anything you don't want to do. Communicate your boundaries with the photag and like the others said, if you don't want your photos being used on porn sites, don't do porn related photos. 

 I've met some really fantastic photags through TF and some not so good. Check references before you go, be smart, careful and just as professional as you would be on a paid shoot!

[AbFab]

Really, all it means for the photog & the model is a chance to hone your craft & up your portfolio. I'd be selective with who you choose to do TF* with - stick with people who's style you like, because you don't really have any say of how the image is manipulated...  that's pretty much up to the photographer.  Model Mayhem is a great place for this. Just try & avoid the "boobie trolls" - it's pretty obvious, by their work, which photographers are only on there to perv out and who is on there to truly get better at their craft.

 

what it generally means is you show up, you guys figure out what you both need for your portfolios, and then you wait for the results - some of which take longer than normal times because no-one's really making any money from it.

 

I've had great experiences with TF*, and have found creative partners through it. When I had more time, I was doing it as much as possible (I'm a photog).

 

again - only pick photogs who manipulate their work in a way you like, 'cause you have no control over that. also - if you wanna' restrict the usage, then show up with your own release.

 

[Miss Va-Voom Vintage]

If you don't want to do TF simply don't offer the option! I've met a lot of fantastic, professional, published photographers through TF shoots that just want to try something different and find new faces. Its a great way for new photags and models to break into the industry and a good way for new photags to experiment with non-paying clients. As a business owner, it's your personal choice to decide what you want to do but it doesn't mean that TF models or photographers are "cheap".

Photography by Christian Aragon said:

You've a couple sets of questions going there. Your first question, "How have TF shoots worked for you?" They've helped me to go broke and face the possibility of closing my photography biz. I believe that TF overall has cheapened both what photographers do as well as what models do as it allows anyone and everyone on either side of the camera to very easily call themselves one or the other depending on perspective.

As far as your other questions are concerned, it's really simple: Negotiate and get everything in writing that you do and/or don't want. Because of TF everyone has to protect themselves on both sides of the camera. Putting everything in writing is the best way to do that. :)

[Paper Moon Photography]

I love what you have said ! :)

Photography by Christian Aragon said:

You've a couple sets of questions going there. Your first question, "How have TF shoots worked for you?" They've helped me to go broke and face the possibility of closing my photography biz. I believe that TF overall has cheapened both what photographers do as well as what models do as it allows anyone and everyone on either side of the camera to very easily call themselves one or the other depending on perspective.

As far as your other questions are concerned, it's really simple: Negotiate and get everything in writing that you do and/or don't want. Because of TF everyone has to protect themselves on both sides of the camera. Putting everything in writing is the best way to do that. :)

[East Coast Pinups]

All the replies here have merit. However, there is no "be all end all" answer to your question. As a photographer, the releases I produce, do absolutely nothing for the model. And I use these when I shoot with new models that I've never worked with before. My release basically tells the model that I reserve the right to use those images in the interests that I have listed in the release, which isn't much. I don't ever sell the images or produce prints. My usage is basically for my marketing materials, my websites, and portfolio usage. My release also states that the model may not further "manipulate or edit" the images I produce for them, or provide them to a 3rd party for any manipulation or editing, and they also may not use the images for production and private sale (as I don't either). They also may not submit those images for contests or publication without my consent. This is just a common courtesy, and also because sometimes the promo companies or publications they submit images to may not offer a credit line for the photographer, or they may edit the image with their company logos, etc... and that is a copyright / intellectual property infringement. So you really must read the fine print, and what their rules are for submissions. Many models do not do this, and that's where they find themselves in a heap of drama with their photographers. It's happened with me, and I've had several images of mine removed from contest sites, or sites that are trying to help "promote" models, but yet they have no grasp of intellectual property laws in regards to artists or photography. So that would be my one pearl of wisdom that I relay to all models that work with me. And if they aren't sure, I ask them to contact me, and I'll investigate before they submit any work, especially if it's my work that they'd like to submit. These are my particular rules and how I do business, whether paid, or TF. Even if you've paid for work to be done, this does not mean you have usage rights. Many photographers also offer "usage rights agreements", which is a totally different from a model release. So my other pearl of wisdom is to do some homework. Copyright/Intellectual property laws definitely vary from country to country, and also from state to state.

The best alternate advice I can give, is to make sure you work with someone reputable. Ask the photographer for a list of models they've worked with, and if you may contact them. If the photographer balks at this, then maybe you shouldn't work with them. If they ask you to sign a release, read it thoroughly. If the release has verbage in it that gives the photographer the right to "distribute, release, or sell" your likeness, then don't work with them unless you don't care about that. Or, simply ask that you prefer to work without a release, or, that you have a release of your own that you wish to provide. But beware, any model that provides a release for a photographer to sign, will usually be turned away.

There is no definitive rulebook, and most of what goes on between photographers and models is done on good faith, a mutual respect, and just solid ethics. Get the Q&A period over with BEFORE you work with someone. Ask to meet or discuss things over the phone first before deciding to set up a session. Sometimes you just really need to put in a little extra time and effort to do your homework.

 

[East Coast Pinups]

Roxy Tart {Madam/Community Mgr} said:

"Whether you are doing TF or paying, you should sign a release. It is what protects both you and the photog."

 

Model releases do not "protect" the models. The "RELEASE" is stating that the model absolves the photographer from any actions in regards to what the photographer has stipulated in the "RELEASE" This is why thoroughly reading a release form is so important. Not every photographer uses a "generic" release.